Lead & Follow
Lead & Follow offers a candid discussion of teamwork, collaboration, and professional development. Host Sharna Fabiano talks with scholars, educators, and artists to explore the relational dance between leadership and followership, and how to become excellent in both roles.
Lead & Follow
The Future of Leadership: Why Great Teams Need More Than Leaders – Robert Kelley
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What if the future of leadership isn't about finding stronger leaders—but about creating better ways for people to work together?
Leadership pioneer Robert Kelley returns to explore how organizations, communities, and citizens are moving beyond traditional leader-follower models toward more collaborative, adaptive ways of solving problems. As political polarization grows and workplaces become more complex, this conversation asks a timely question: What does responsible leadership look like when authority alone is no longer enough?
Robert Kelley is Distinguished Service Professor of Management at Carnegie Mellon University and author of the groundbreaking book The Power of Followership. His research transformed how organizations think about leadership by showing that the quality of collaboration—not just the quality of leaders—determines long-term success. In this conversation, he shares how his thinking has evolved and why the future belongs to organizations that cultivate shared responsibility and collective action.
You'll learn:
- Why traditional leadership models are becoming less effective in today's world
- How teams can move beyond manager-subordinate roles
- How the idea of responsible citizenship is changing
- How collaborative decision-making strengthens organizations and communities
- What the next generation of leadership may look like in business and society
Episode References
Strongmen, Ruth Ben-Ghiat
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Sharna Fabiano is the author of Lead & Follow: The Dance of Inspired Teamwork and host of the Lead & Follow Podcast. She helps founders, solopreneurs, and new leaders build strong collaborative relationships and successful teams.
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